i actually wrote that post, i just accidently clicked anonymous
haven't replied to this thread since now, but i thought better late than never let me come out and explain the truth; as i've grown up as a muslim.
generally, islam isn't meant to be violent; if you read the Quaran (which follows Islam) in english translated (it's written in arabic) it says a lot of positive things; how to stay clean, be polite etc. sadly, a lot of people went to teach the wrong ways to islam, for example "if you kill someone, you go to heaven" which obviously is wrong, and you'll go to hell. Islam isn't violent but the way people talk about it make it violent.
First off, as I said in the OP different Muslims have different degrees of religiosity so not all Muslims are going to believe the same thing. You may have less religious parents so you were brought up with a more moderate and liberal version of Islam. As I've said I'm not talking about Muslims so individual Muslims giving their anecdotes isn't the most valid argument.
Second off, it's obviously going to have some positive things. Nazism has some positive things, I'm sure we can all agree it's overall not a good thing (before you get mad, I'm not comparing Islam to Nazism, it's an analogy). Cherry picking doesn't absolve the negative things. And yes, I'm sure that extremists believe at least some false things about Islam. That doesn't change the fact their ideology is in fact also legitimate Islam.
First of all, guys you can't say something bad before seeing it in the eyes. If you see it in by your eyes, then you can say what you want. I'm a muslim a guy, and I like the peace because I like the respect. Let's being with this, on every where on this world, people can be bad and can be nice right? for example, like smile everyday to the people, that's a positive way. You guys think that Muslims are violent right? why is that? isn't there any other people in the world are violent? you are just blaming muslims for not seeing it in the eye. Muslims is not violent that's first thing, in the Quran it's written that Islam is simple and not complex. I can agree with you that not every Muslim is perfect, there are muslims are bad, which do bad things like kill, and such like every person in this world for example like a gangster in the USA, and there is Muslims are good, which there is a lot of them. I will tell you a story that my father told me about the last prophet Mohammed. Before his death he told the people that he wanted to share the information so the people won't go in the bad way ever. a guy said "Quran is enough for us". Actually " Quran is enough but there is a lot of meaning that the person can't realise it expect the god and prophet Mohammed wanted to make this easy for them but they refused".
And thanks guys, I just don't want that you guys have bad information about Muslims. Like I said, other people can be violent more than muslims and i don't see muslims are violent, you just think in a bad way, and it depends person to person, some muslims are good and some not.
First of all, your entire argument is a massive strawman.
"1. I am not talking about Muslims. Islam is a religion. Muslims are the followers of that religion. Muslims are individual people and have varying beliefs and degrees of religiosity. Just because someone suggests that Islam is a violent religion, doesn't mean they are suggesting that all Muslims are violent. Please try not to conflate the two, and please try and keep Muslims out of this debate. As I said, they are the people that follow the religion and vary as to how much of their religion they believe and follow, depending on the person. They have a limited amount of relevance to this debate."
If you weren't being blatantly dishonest (some people would say you just had a knee-jerk reaction and didn't read the OP, but I know better than that), you wouldn't make this strawman. That alone could invalidate your entire argument but I'll debunk it anyway.
"First of all, guys you can't say something bad before seeing it in the eyes. If you see it in by your eyes, then you can say what you want." Have you ever seen Nazism in the flesh? No? Then how can you say it's bad? This stupid argument can justify pretty much every awful ideology out there.
"I'm a muslim a guy, and I like the peace because I like the respect." Just because you are a Muslim and like peace, doesn't mean the entire religion is peaceful. All it means is that you're a Muslim who also happens to not be an absolute nutcase.
"Let's being with this, on every where on this world, people can be bad and can be nice right? for example, like smile everyday to the people, that's a positive way." Yes, I never said anything contradicting this.
"You guys think that Muslims are violent right? why is that? isn't there any other people in the world are violent?" No, nobody in this thread including me ever suggested this you lying cretin. I'm not going to lie, it really pisses me off when people do this, you apologists are notorious for it. You claim everyone hates Muslims and is saying they are all violent animals who have to be locked in a cage when nobody has ever suggested this.
"you are just blaming muslims for not seeing it in the eye." No, I don't blame Muslims as a community for anything. I blame Islam for a lot of things though.
"and there is Muslims are good, which there is a lot of them." I never said anything that disagrees with this.
"I will tell you a story that my father told me about the last prophet Mohammed. Before his death he told the people that he wanted to share the information so the people won't go in the bad way ever. a guy said "Quran is enough for us". Actually " Quran is enough but there is a lot of meaning that the person can't realise it expect the god and prophet Mohammed wanted to make this easy for them but they refused"" Your dad knows this how?
"Like I said, other people can be violent more than muslims and i don't see muslims are violent, you just think in a bad way, and it depends person to person, some muslims are good and some not." Again, I never said the opposite. I don't see Muslims as violent either, I see Islam as an ideology as violent.
"So if someone on the news sees a Muslim doing a bad thing then people consider all muslims like that" No. You wouldn't believe how many people around me are so apologistic towards Islam, they are worse than this anonymous guy.
"Oh and that 88% of people in Egypt supporting death penalty is clearly false, I'm from Egypt myself and it's completely false." This actually doesn't prove anything. It's like me saying "That 50% of British people are Christians statistic is clearly false, I am an atheist and most people around me that I know of don't care for god or don't believe in god either" It doesn't make the statistic wrong, it means I live in an area or in a generation that has a certain viewpoint that is different from the general one. 88% isn't 100%, that leaves 12% who don't, and you may have lived in an area that is generally more liberal than the rest of the country. Or, you may never have had to deal with that kind of thing so you never asked anybody about it, and your parents happened to be more liberal than most people so didn't teach you that people should die for leaving Islam. Or a combination of both. Or something else, I will be honest and say I can't 100% for certain prove the statistic either true or false.
Give
Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth a read, it's actually really interesting and might enlighten you. And don't just dismiss it as propaganda, actually read it with an open mind please.