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None of those besides genocide are federal crimes, so technically, that claim is false.
And to add on top of that, there is nothing wrong with pornography. I take issue with irresponsible abortion but apart from that I have no issue with abortion either. @Knight, not only are you a Clueless Creationist, you are also a Meddling Moralist.
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This is false, because according to the flood story and that of creation, before the flood, the earth was one land mass. Not the continents that are here today. Also, this can be true from the evolutionary standpoint, because according to some, a “CONTINENTAL DRIFT” (which I don’t believe in) is believed by some to have happened around the same time, so to claim that animals didn’t live in the middle east is false, because there was no middle east, just one landmass. Also, the Epic of Gilgamesh was written almost 200 years after the flood, 2100 BC. The Biblical flood is dated at 2348 BC, so to claim the flood story was derived from the Epic of Gilgamesh is false, because the timeline would indicate the opposite; that the Epic was written based of the flood story.
It’s both. You must remember that the angel of the Lord speaks to both through different persons through these books. Obviously, Matthew wrote Matthew. And Luke wrote Luke. There’s no need for both of them because it would only mean they were in the same place at the same time, which would complicate things, because God is omnipresent, sso he could have said these things to Mary and Joseph at the same time.
Actually, you butchered this too. This is the recognized definition. “Almah, which means woman or a woman past puberty, regardless of sexual status is a Hebrew word meaning a young woman of childbearing age who has not yet had a child, and who may be an unmarried virgin or a married young woman.” And yes, Jesus had brothers and sisters, but they were all younger than Jesus, so to imply that Mary became pregnant from Joseph before she had Jesus and became a virgin would be false.
There was actually a census at this time, and it started the Zealot revolt against Roman rule. The real problem was that the bible says this was during Herrod the Great’s reign, which it wasn’t, it was during the reign of Quirinius. To fix this though, we only need to look at the Hebrew text, which says that this Census was during the reign of Quirinius. The English translators who translated the KJV (King James Version) made the mistake of putting the census at the time of Herrod the Great. This was later corrected at the time of the NIV translation, so this point is false.
This statement doesn’t make sense. Each passage is written differently, but each means the same; “Love the Father and the Son more than anything.” It doesn’t mean that you must hate everything else but love it less than God. For it is written, “9 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness. 10 Anyone who loves their brother and sister lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. 11 But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them.” 1 John 2:9-11.
The verse in exodus talks about the Israelites taking the chosen land, and destroying the idols of the people before. This isn’t genocide, this is war. As for the other verses, they talk about God’s favor being with the people. In Leviticus 26:7-9, God uses a metaphor to illustrate how he will be with the people. I admit this is a strange metaphor, but it doesn’t mean much because there is no point in the bible where the people of Israel commit Genocide that is approved by God.
There isn’t an opportunity to criticize here. Because of the way the word slave and slavery was used back then compared to today. At that time, Slaves were actually servants in the Hebrew world. They were given the opportunity to leave, unless under the command of ungodly men.
This is a direct assumption. The two genealogies come from different books of the bible, but are both Mary’s ancestors. The reasons the names differ is because they are known in two different languages, so they are actually the same family line.
It was supposed to be a symbol of obedience. If the people hadn’t marked their doorframe with the blood, they would be thought as unfaithful and disobedient to God. Also, it was the beginning of sacrifices to atone for sin.
Yes. This was a test to see if Abraham would be faithful to God, and would keep the covenant that they’d established. God’s goal was never for Isaac to die, but He wanted to see if Abraham would give up the thing he loved the most to be obedient to God.
Let’s see if you’ll understand this. As you stated, before the Passover, the Israelites had to mark their doors with the blood of a lamb. This began the tradition of the Jews to sacrifice for the atonement of sins. This lead to the greatest sacrifice, that of Jesus. What Jesus death accomplished was that we’d never have to make sacrifices again, because Jesus is God, he sacrificed himself for us in the place of an animal, and because God exists for eternity, this is the end of animal sacrifices. To respond to the accepting him, if you simply know he exists, but don’t accept his sacrifice, then you don’t accept God. This is the reason for having to accept Jesus as our savior.
Because the bible was never meant to predict the future. In the period of time that the Bible was written, there were actually laws that if you were to hurt a child, the penalty was high, even sometimes death, because children were to carry on the family lines, which were extremely important then. Read the code of Hammurabi.
Of that 8,700,000, only 35,000 species can’t survive in the water. That means only 70,000 animals had to go aboard the ark. Which could definitely fit, seeing as, if you combined the animals and divided them by themselves, you’d find the took up about 3.5 feet per animal, and the ark was 1,518,000 cubic feet, enough to fit 569 modern railroad stock cars. And they didn’t all have to be full grown! The biggest would be the dinosaurs and elephants, and they could have been babies.
As I explained earlier, the flood reshaped the earth. The earth before the flood was one land mass, in the center of one ocean. So there would be no need for the land dwelling animals that actually needed to go on the ark to travel very far.
As I explained earlier, the flood reshaped the earth. The earth before the flood was one land mass, in the center of one ocean. So there would be no need for the land dwelling animals that actually needed to go on the ark to travel very far.
One word, sin. Sin is the reason God allows all pain and suffering. Because of our constant sin, he allows the suffering to continue until the day he comes back and destroys the earth, Judgement Day. Even Christians don’t get a green card from suffering. We have to bear knowing that God will come back and save us who believe.
Because, sadly, they’re all important to the explanation of the story of the world. Wikipedia may be a massive bank of knowledge, but that means it comes with flaws that humans create for themselves. I’m not sure if you remember what happened during 9/11, but the media turned it into the crime of the century, and they seem to forget we had two world wars less than 100 years ago, in which combined lost a total of 45 to 62 million civilian deaths alone. And for what? Hitler killed nearly 8 million Jews during WWII through concentration camps. These are events that make up our sad history of unnecessary things. And the same goes with the bible. It has these stories to illustrate the terrible world we live in.
Complete and utter lies. Continental drift is a geological process that occurs over millions of years, barely anything changes over the course of a few millennia. Don't try to tell us about science, everybody who attended school knows that what you're saying is wrong. You're cop-out for Plex's scepticism of Noah's Ark proves his point right.
That doesn't debunk what he is saying, in fact it's actually giving more credibility to the idea that the Bible is an old fairy tail and isn't the word of god.
Well that's just a cop-out and doesn't actually give a good rebuttal to his criticism.
This is completely wrong.
Wikipedia says (which I know isn't the most reliable source of information but this particular piece was well-cited so I'm willing to trust it):
'In the earliest known records, slavery is treated as an established institution. The Code of Hammurabi (c. 1760 BC), for example, prescribed death for anyone who helped a slave escape or who sheltered a fugitive. The Bible mentions slavery as an established institution.'
Yeah, I'd advise not lying to someone who will fact-check.
You got this figure from where? Also, just because a species could survive in water, would it be in it's natural habitat and thus thrive?
Prove it, there is no geological evidence that the Earth hosted only one land mass before a great flood, and there is actually no proof of a great flood either. Also, you aren't answering the very basic question of how that many species' fit onto the ark, you're just falling back on this baseless 'one land mass' assertion. And it is an assertion, because you don't have any evidence for it.
But don't you think it's a bit childish to send someone to burn for eternity simply because they don't acknowledge your existence? Also, as I asked before, how do you know you're god and your particular sect of Christianity are the right ones? You didn't seem to want to answer that question, like I predicted.
*Spits out Pepsi* What? Hitler didn't kill nearly 8 million fucking Jews, he killed 6 million (or so the official figures say, whether or not 6 million were actually killed is up to you to decide based on the evidence there is). I don't want to be blatantly disrespectful or rude here, but you are really showing your stupidity and lack of ability to store basic figures in your head. Fucking hell, I knew you weren't the sharpest tool in the shed but I didn't realise you were this intellectually challenged.
However, there is actual scientific evidence of Earth ending its one-landmass life as Pangaea, which broke apart approximately 200 million years ago, which means that the Earth would be extremely close to how it is right now in 2348 BC.
Got any proof for that?
Already fact-checked by Sawk to be wrong.
How can I "simply know" Jesus exists? That statement further proves his non-existence, as it just means that there is no solid evidence for his existence.
First of all, how do you know that those measurements are correct, if even existent at all? Second of all, dinosaurs went extinct 66-65 million years ago, so there goes that part of your argument.
Got any proof for that?
Well, fuck me sideways and call me Mary, but the Judgement Day is just something said in a book that God supposedly had influence on. Every single prediction about the end of the world has been incorrect, so I wouldn't bank on this one.
Statistics indicate that the number of Jews killed is around 5,860,000, which is definitely not 8 million, so I do not know where you got that figure from. Please stop spitting out random figures that you cannot justify, thus only proving that stupidity of yours.
And yet another rebuttal is proven false. I'd suggest giving up @Knight, you've been proven to be a clueless liar, having not done the first ounce of research and when caught out just falls back on some 'muh gawd/holy book' explanation. If you want to keep going then that's fine, we'll just carry on debunking your baseless rebuttals. Just know this: you're debating a lost argument that you lost over a page ago.
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Alright, you wanna hear how many times the bible predicted the future?
Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2,500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2,000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors.
(The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 10^2000 (that is 1 with 2,000 zeros written after it)!
God is not the only one, however, who uses forecasts of future events to get people's attention. Satan does, too. Through clairvoyants (such as Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce), mediums, spiritists, and others, come remarkable predictions, though rarely with more than about 60 percent accuracy, never with total accuracy. Messages from Satan, furthermore, fail to match the detail of Bible prophecies, nor do they include a call to repentance.
The acid test for identifying a prophet of God is recorded by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:21-22. According to this Bible passage (and others), God's prophets, as distinct from Satan's spokesmen, are 100 percent accurate in their predictions. There is no room for error.
As economy does not permit an explanation of all the Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled, what follows in a discussion of a few that exemplify the high degree of specificity, the range of projection, and/or the "supernature" of the predicted events. Readers are encouraged to select others, as well, and to carefully examine their historicity.
Here's just 13 predictions that make the bible more accurate than you think.
(1) Some time before 500 BC, the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 BC, 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about AD 26. Also note that from 1 BC to AD 1 is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in AD 70 came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^5.)*
(2) In approximately 700 BC, the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^5.)
(3) In the fifth century BC, a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^11.)
(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^13.)
(5) The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world. This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the Jewish exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13). Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^15.)
(6) Mighty Babylon, 196 miles square, was enclosed not only by a moat, but also by a double wall 330 feet high, each part 90 feet thick. It was said by unanimous popular opinion to be indestructible, yet two Bible prophets declared its doom. These prophets further claimed that the ruins would be avoided by travelers, that the city would never again be inhabited, and that its stones would not even be moved for use as building material (Isaiah 13:17-22 and Jeremiah 51:26, 43). Their description is, in fact, the well-documented history of the famous citadel.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^9.)
(7) The exact location and construction sequence of Jerusalem's nine suburbs was predicted by Jeremiah about 2600 years ago. He referred to the time of this building project as "the last days," that is, the time period of Israel's second rebirth as a nation in the land of Palestine (Jeremiah 31:38-40). This rebirth became history in 1948, and the construction of the nine suburbs has gone forward precisely in the locations and in the sequence predicted.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^18.)
(8) The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient Jewish nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the Jews captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 BC and the second in AD 70. God's spokesmen said, further, that the Jews would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the Jews would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24).
This prophetic statement sweeps across 3,500 years of history to its complete fulfillment—in our lifetime.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^20.)
(9) Jeremiah predicted that despite its fertility and despite the accessibility of its water supply, the land of Edom (today a part of Jordan) would become a barren, uninhabited wasteland (Jeremiah 49:15-20; Ezekiel 25:12-14). His description accurately tells the history of that now bleak region.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^5.)
(10) Joshua prophesied that Jericho would be rebuilt by one man. He also said that the man's eldest son would die when the reconstruction began and that his youngest son would die when the work reached completion (Joshua 6:26). About five centuries later this prophecy found its fulfillment in the life and family of a man named Hiel (1 Kings 16:33-34).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^7).
(11) The day of Elijah's supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimously—and accurately, according to the eye-witness account—by a group of fifty prophets (2 Kings 2:3-11).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^9).
(12) Jahaziel prophesied that King Jehoshaphat and a tiny band of men would defeat an enormous, well-equipped, well-trained army without even having to fight. Just as predicted, the King and his troops stood looking on as their foes were supernaturally destroyed to the last man (2 Chronicles 20).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^8).
(13) One prophet of God (unnamed, but probably Shemiah) said that a future king of Judah, named Josiah, would take the bones of all the occultic priests (priests of the "high places") of Israel's King Jeroboam and burn them on Jeroboam's altar (1 Kings 13:2 and 2 Kings 23:15-18). This event occurred approximately 300 years after it was foretold.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^13).
(^ means to the power of)
Since these thirteen prophecies cover mostly separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all thirteen is about 1 in 10^138 (138 equals the sum of all the exponents of 10 in the probability estimates above). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will refrigerate itself during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold body to a hot body)—that chance = 1 in 1080. Stating it simply, based on these thirteen prophecies alone, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics. Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here. In any case, the probabilities deduced still will be absurdly remote.
Given that the Bible proves so reliable a document, there is every reason to expect that the remaining 500 prophecies, those slated for the "time of the end," also will be fulfilled to the last letter. Who can afford to ignore these coming events, much less miss out on the immeasurable blessings offered to anyone and everyone who submits to the control of the Bible's author, Jesus Christ? Would a reasonable person take lightly God's warning of judgment for those who reject what they know to be true about Jesus Christ and the Bible, or who reject Jesus' claim on their lives?
*The estimates of probability included herein come from a group of secular research scientists. As an example of their method of estimation, consider their calculations for this first prophecy cited:
Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2,500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2,000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors.
(The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 10^2000 (that is 1 with 2,000 zeros written after it)!
God is not the only one, however, who uses forecasts of future events to get people's attention. Satan does, too. Through clairvoyants (such as Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce), mediums, spiritists, and others, come remarkable predictions, though rarely with more than about 60 percent accuracy, never with total accuracy. Messages from Satan, furthermore, fail to match the detail of Bible prophecies, nor do they include a call to repentance.
The acid test for identifying a prophet of God is recorded by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:21-22. According to this Bible passage (and others), God's prophets, as distinct from Satan's spokesmen, are 100 percent accurate in their predictions. There is no room for error.
As economy does not permit an explanation of all the Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled, what follows in a discussion of a few that exemplify the high degree of specificity, the range of projection, and/or the "supernature" of the predicted events. Readers are encouraged to select others, as well, and to carefully examine their historicity.
Here's just 13 predictions that make the bible more accurate than you think.
(1) Some time before 500 BC, the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 BC, 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about AD 26. Also note that from 1 BC to AD 1 is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in AD 70 came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^5.)*
(2) In approximately 700 BC, the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^5.)
(3) In the fifth century BC, a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^11.)
(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^13.)
(5) The prophet Isaiah foretold that a conqueror named Cyrus would destroy seemingly impregnable Babylon and subdue Egypt along with most of the rest of the known world. This same man, said Isaiah, would decide to let the Jewish exiles in his territory go free without any payment of ransom (Isaiah 44:28; 45:1; and 45:13). Isaiah made this prophecy 150 years before Cyrus was born, 180 years before Cyrus performed any of these feats (and he did, eventually, perform them all), and 80 years before the Jews were taken into exile.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^15.)
(6) Mighty Babylon, 196 miles square, was enclosed not only by a moat, but also by a double wall 330 feet high, each part 90 feet thick. It was said by unanimous popular opinion to be indestructible, yet two Bible prophets declared its doom. These prophets further claimed that the ruins would be avoided by travelers, that the city would never again be inhabited, and that its stones would not even be moved for use as building material (Isaiah 13:17-22 and Jeremiah 51:26, 43). Their description is, in fact, the well-documented history of the famous citadel.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^9.)
(7) The exact location and construction sequence of Jerusalem's nine suburbs was predicted by Jeremiah about 2600 years ago. He referred to the time of this building project as "the last days," that is, the time period of Israel's second rebirth as a nation in the land of Palestine (Jeremiah 31:38-40). This rebirth became history in 1948, and the construction of the nine suburbs has gone forward precisely in the locations and in the sequence predicted.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^18.)
(8) The prophet Moses foretold (with some additions by Jeremiah and Jesus) that the ancient Jewish nation would be conquered twice and that the people would be carried off as slaves each time, first by the Babylonians (for a period of 70 years), and then by a fourth world kingdom (which we know as Rome). The second conqueror, Moses said, would take the Jews captive to Egypt in ships, selling them or giving them away as slaves to all parts of the world. Both of these predictions were fulfilled to the letter, the first in 607 BC and the second in AD 70. God's spokesmen said, further, that the Jews would remain scattered throughout the entire world for many generations, but without becoming assimilated by the peoples or of other nations, and that the Jews would one day return to the land of Palestine to re-establish for a second time their nation (Deuteronomy 29; Isaiah 11:11-13; Jeremiah 25:11; Hosea 3:4-5 and Luke 21:23-24).
This prophetic statement sweeps across 3,500 years of history to its complete fulfillment—in our lifetime.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^20.)
(9) Jeremiah predicted that despite its fertility and despite the accessibility of its water supply, the land of Edom (today a part of Jordan) would become a barren, uninhabited wasteland (Jeremiah 49:15-20; Ezekiel 25:12-14). His description accurately tells the history of that now bleak region.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^5.)
(10) Joshua prophesied that Jericho would be rebuilt by one man. He also said that the man's eldest son would die when the reconstruction began and that his youngest son would die when the work reached completion (Joshua 6:26). About five centuries later this prophecy found its fulfillment in the life and family of a man named Hiel (1 Kings 16:33-34).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^7).
(11) The day of Elijah's supernatural departure from Earth was predicted unanimously—and accurately, according to the eye-witness account—by a group of fifty prophets (2 Kings 2:3-11).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^9).
(12) Jahaziel prophesied that King Jehoshaphat and a tiny band of men would defeat an enormous, well-equipped, well-trained army without even having to fight. Just as predicted, the King and his troops stood looking on as their foes were supernaturally destroyed to the last man (2 Chronicles 20).
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^8).
(13) One prophet of God (unnamed, but probably Shemiah) said that a future king of Judah, named Josiah, would take the bones of all the occultic priests (priests of the "high places") of Israel's King Jeroboam and burn them on Jeroboam's altar (1 Kings 13:2 and 2 Kings 23:15-18). This event occurred approximately 300 years after it was foretold.
(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10^13).
(^ means to the power of)
Since these thirteen prophecies cover mostly separate and independent events, the probability of chance occurrence for all thirteen is about 1 in 10^138 (138 equals the sum of all the exponents of 10 in the probability estimates above). For the sake of putting the figure into perspective, this probability can be compared to the statistical chance that the second law of thermodynamics will be reversed in a given situation (for example, that a gasoline engine will refrigerate itself during its combustion cycle or that heat will flow from a cold body to a hot body)—that chance = 1 in 1080. Stating it simply, based on these thirteen prophecies alone, the Bible record may be said to be vastly more reliable than the second law of thermodynamics. Each reader should feel free to make his own reasonable estimates of probability for the chance fulfillment of the prophecies cited here. In any case, the probabilities deduced still will be absurdly remote.
Given that the Bible proves so reliable a document, there is every reason to expect that the remaining 500 prophecies, those slated for the "time of the end," also will be fulfilled to the last letter. Who can afford to ignore these coming events, much less miss out on the immeasurable blessings offered to anyone and everyone who submits to the control of the Bible's author, Jesus Christ? Would a reasonable person take lightly God's warning of judgment for those who reject what they know to be true about Jesus Christ and the Bible, or who reject Jesus' claim on their lives?
*The estimates of probability included herein come from a group of secular research scientists. As an example of their method of estimation, consider their calculations for this first prophecy cited:
- Since the Messiah's ministry could conceivably begin in any one of about 5000 years, there is, then, one chance in about 5,000 that his ministry could begin in AD 26.
- Since the Messiah is God in human form, the possibility of his being killed is considerably low, say less than one chance in 10.
- Relative to the second destruction of Jerusalem, this execution has roughly an even chance of occurring before or after that event, that is, one chance in 2.
Instead of focusing on the whole post, let me point out why the Bible has it all wrong about the way Jesus may have died (if he existed at all).
1. The image of Jesus on the cross has been invented by commissioned artists.
After realising something was wrong I checked back to see the earliest images of Jesus being crucified but there are none. Okay, we have seen millions of such paintings but there are none for hundreds of years after his death. It is not until the fourth century that scenes of the Crucifixion of Jesus began to appear. And this is the first one.
Yes, this is it, the very first image of the Crucifixion of Christ, which appears on a small panel on a wooden side-door of the Church of Santa Sabina in Rome, which was consecrated in AD 440, almost exactly 400 years after the event.
In this first attempt the crucified figures do not appear to be attached to crosses, although there are nails in the hands. But no church before this date even had a crucifixion image. So around AD 430 the image we know was invented. Invented because not only is there no image of Jesus on the cross but there is no image of anyone on a cross.
2. You cannot carry the size of tree Jesus is shown crucified on.
Many films have included Olympic sportsmen carrying the trees, yet even they struggled with their task. When you take into account that not many people at the time were in any Olympic shape, the tree depicted is impossible to be carried.
3. The primary purpose of crucifixion is not to kill a criminal.
Why does this totally undermine the story in the Bible? Because, surely the purpose of Crucifixion is to put the body on show, as a deterrent, as long as possible. Upright like a banner, struggling with pain, degraded and dehumanized, till it rotted.
Now just consider Joseph of Arimathea’s visit to Pilate when he is told he can retrieve the body as long as he is already dead.
Are they joking? They make a cross for a man, he carries it to Golgotha, they nail him up, and after a few hours he drops dead and Pilate says: "Okay, you can take him down now."
What an absurd amount of effort and time, not to mention a ridiculous use of a valuable tree, to kill a man.
4. Jesus could not have died in just 4 hours.
In the film, Eric Idle’s statement as Mr. Cheeky, the guy crucified next to Brian is revealing. Eric is suggesting that death does not come that quickly? In the Bible Jesus is raised on the cross at either 9 or 12 o’clock and is dead by 3pm.
ERIC: "Not so bad once you’re up. You being rescued then?"
BRIAN: "It’s a bit late for that now, isn’t it?"
ERIC: "Oh, no. We’ve got a couple of days up here. Plenty of time. Lots of people get rescued. Yeah. My brother usually rescues me, if he can keep off the tail for more than twenty minutes. Randy little bugger. Up and down like the Assyrian Empire."
Every Easter in the Philippines, they perform a Passion play culminating with the actual nailing up of at least three penitents on to crosses. Ruben Enage, age fifty-three, has been crucified twenty-seven times. He began his yearly rite after surviving a fall from a three-story building. The wounds can take two weeks to heal.
So the likelihood of someone dying in such a short period of time seems impossible. To cover this criticism one Gospel, John, tries to suggest Jesus was speared in the side to prove he was dead. Problem is it says: ‘and immediately blood and water came out.’
Which means the heart is pumping so he is evidently not dead.
5. Crucifixion was not the method of capital punishment used by the Romans.
Look at this from the Jewish historian Josephus, writing at the time: "Varus sent his army into the country, to seek out the authors of the revolt; he punished those that were most guilty: the number who were crucified on this account were two thousand."
How can these numbers possibly be? Where are all these trees coming from, not to mention the tons of nails (6,000)? The answer strangely is just a matter of translation. The word we always translate as crucifix, stauros does not actually mean crucifix at all.
Here is the full dictionary definition: "The word stauros comes from the Ancient Greek histemi: ‘straighten up’, the same root from which come the German Stern, or the English ‘stand’. In classical Greek, until the early 4th century BC, stauros meant an upright stake, pole, or which might be used in impaling. In the literature of that time it never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle, but always one piece alone."
So there is no reason to believe Jesus was on a cross at all, nor that the 2000 in the revolt were. In fact, it would almost be impossible. They were tied or nailed to a stake or even impaled, a la Vlad the Impaler, and it would all be translated by us centuries later as ‘Crucifixion’.
6. Jesus was not crucified.
HIGH PRIEST JOHN: You have been found guilty by the elders of uttering the name of our Lord and so as a blasphemer you are to be stoned to death.
MATTHIAS: Look, I’d had a lovely supper and all I said to my wife was, ‘That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah’.
HIGH PRIEST JOHN: Blasphemy! He’s said it again.
The scene is based on Jewish Law as expressed in the Bible: "Then the Lord spoke to Moses, “The one who blasphemes the name of the Lord shall be taken outside the camp, and let all who heard him lay their hands on his head; then let all the congregation stone him." (Leviticus 24:14)
To help you understand the significance let me quote you another event in the Bible.
Acts of the Apostles has this story: "Stephen, was performing great wonders and signs... The elders dragged him away and brought him before the Council." When Stephen makes a long speech: "They cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears and rushed at him. When they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him." (Acts 7)
Now look at Jesus' trial before the same Sanhedrin: "Jesus said, “You shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power.” Tearing his clothes, the high priest said, “What further witnesses do we need? You have heard the blasphemy?” And they all condemned him to be deserving of death." (Mark 14:61)
Jesus' crime is also clearly blasphemy, so why do the Sanhedrin take Jesus to Pilate? Blasphemy has nothing to do with the Romans. The crime is punishable, as shown in Life of Brian by stoning, which is clearly decided by the Jews themselves. Crucifixion/staking is the Roman punishment for rebellion.
And let me quote from Jewish law about stoning: "If a man guilty of a capital offence is put to death and his body hung on a tree, you must not leave his body on the tree overnight. Be sure to bury him that same day, because anyone who is hung on a tree is under God’s curse"’ (Deuteronomy 21:22)
So after stoning the body is hung on a tree and then taken down and buried before sunset.
7. Pilate could not have crucified Jesus because the Roman governor left Judea years before Jesus' death.
Jesus’ two year mission begins after the death of John the Baptist. But look how Josephus describes John’s life and death. Firstly he describes the death of King Philip in AD 34. Then he tells us that to marry Philip’s wife, Herod divorced his first wife, who was the daughter of King Aretas of Petra.
Every Easter in the Philippines, they perform a Passion play culminating with the crucifixion
But King Aretas’ daughter went home crying to her father, who raised an army and attacked Israel. Herod sent his army into battle but they were completely wiped out.
‘Now some of the Jews thought that the destruction of Herod's army came from God as a just punishment of what Herod had done against John, who was called the Baptist. For Herod had killed this good man…’(Joseph ‘Antiq’)
If John had been killed eight years before the destruction of Herod’s army, surely nobody would link the two events? The destruction of the army in AD 36 must have been no more than six months to a year after the Baptist’s death, for them to be linked, which places his death in AD 35. If Jesus’ two year mission began then he would still be alive in AD 38. Pilate left Judea in AD 36.
8. Gol Goatha is not ‘the place of the skull’ as translated in all the Gospels.
The Aramaic name Gol Goatha, means ‘mount of execution’, The 'place of the skull’ is Gulgalta. Why insist on a mistranslation? The site is probably Goatha mentioned in the Book of Jeremiah (31:39) where he describes it towards the east, outside the city wall.
The Church of the Holy Sepulcher is claimed by Constantine’s mother to be on the crucifixion site, but this is clearly a mistake and the mistranslation is to conceal this.
9. Where did the trees come from in the first place?
Look what the Bible says when King Solomon wrote to King Hiram:
"I intend to build a temple for the Name of the Lord. So give orders that cedars of Lebanon be cut for me and I will pay you for your men whatever wages you set. You know that we have no one so skilled in felling timber as the Sidonians." (1 Kings 5–6)
Solomon obviously doesn’t trust Israeli carpenters.
Hiram sent word back:
“My men will haul cedar and juniper logs down from Lebanon to the Mediterranean, and float them as rafts..., and Solomon gave Hiram twenty thousand cors of wheat, and twenty thousand baths of pressed olive oil. Solomon continued to do this for Hiram year after year.’ (1 Kings 5).
Trees are, clearly, a scarce and valuable commodity, so why use them just to kill criminals?
This statistic comes from where? Not everybody is as credulous as you, we're not going to believe a (as far as we know) made up statistic.
So you're not explaining how you got this figure. Okay, how are we supposed to believe this? Did you just come up with this 'less than one in ten' figure? That could mean anything. Not only do you not understand basic scientific theories, you also don't understand arithmetic. Not in the least bit surprising.
Since this 'less than 1 in 10' figure is baseless, this actually means nothing.
Prove to me that Satan exists. Since Satan doesn't exist (the concept of a god can be argued for, but Satan really is a fairy tale, there is literally no hard evidence for him) as far as I'm concerned, this paragraph means bollocks to me. Also, what are these messages? Ambiguity doesn't explain anything or support your position in any way.
Typical 'muh holy book' explanation. Since I don't believe in god or that the Bible is the word of god, this proves nothing to me, and also proves nothing to anybody else, as this is stated in a 2,000 year old book with no credibility in the modern world.
So now you're admitting that you're cherry-picking the more specific prophecies and at the same time are admitting that many others are vague and aren't conclusive. Well done you complete dunce, you've completely discredited your own argument. To be honest, this entire debate has been centred around you cherry-picking Bible quotes saying 'this part of the Bible is right, so why don't you trust it in it's entirety?', i.e. trying to convince us that the Bible is flawless hence is the word of god.
Ah, so you're only going to give us 13 examples? I thought there were 2,000 correct prophecies? Why only give us 13? Is it because this '2,000' figure originates in your r***** and not in reality?
I'm going to stop there, as I think I've already repeatedly demonstrated that your arguments have many holes, inconsistencies and falsehoods. I'm sure more researched members will debunk your examples as well.
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Okay @Supreme Sawk , I've cited over 20 creation scientists in the last three paragraphs, and all you can do is try to make excuses, like "Since I don't believe in God, or that the Bible is the word of God, this means nothing to me." it actually doesn't make anything less credible that I've said, because of all the people who actually work on this for a living know better than both of us. Also, I'm actually studying this stuff, so you can't exactly call me out for not knowing what I'm talking about. Also, These 13 examples are the most well known. If I were to get all 2000, you might not understand half of them. Oh, and by the way, I haven't seen any plausible evidence for the big bang shot my way. All you've been doing is trying to disprove my hypothesis.
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Probably interrupting this debate but oh well! 
As I'm not religious, i don't really believe the creation story but i don't know much about the Big Bang so i can't really say for sure which i believe. Honestly, I think it's more important what we do with the world that has been created than how it actually came to be! Obviously just my opinions though!
As I'm not religious, i don't really believe the creation story but i don't know much about the Big Bang so i can't really say for sure which i believe. Honestly, I think it's more important what we do with the world that has been created than how it actually came to be! Obviously just my opinions though!
I do tend to agree with you, I rarely get involved with big bang vs. creationism debates these days and focus more on politics.Probably interrupting this debate but oh well!
As I'm not religious, i don't really believe the creation story but i don't know much about the Big Bang so i can't really say for sure which i believe. Honestly, I think it's more important what we do with the world that has been created than how it actually came to be! Obviously just my opinions though!
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I think I tend to agree with both of you. We believe what we believe, and what's the point of trying to force feed these beliefs to other people. @Alexx @Supreme Sawk I think we can say that we all did a very good job giving our own evidence about what we believe, and it should be left for time to tell. This debate has actually gone on for almost 2 years. It's kinda laughable actually.
I suppose so, yes. This thread was starting to get boring honestly.
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Tru. I thought we ended this a year ago, but I'll say the same thing that I said last year; I appreciate the fact that you defend your case so well. Also you guys have helped me learn things about my own fath that I might not have before known. Thank you.
Not a problem. At the end of the day, a debate's main purpose is to advance both parties' knowledge.
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